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billnreese:
the article is bunk. lou engle talked about it at ihop this morning and tonight and had a girl from the jhop group in sf give testimony. they were just worshipping down there, not talking to anyone, when the gay bars emptied and they were surrounded by people throwing hot coffee on them, screaming at them that they knew they were from promise land church and they were going to rape them and kill them. the girl sharing was punched in the face by the mob surrounding them and police finally came and had to escort them out surrounding them with shields. she said they all thought they were going to be killed. this was just friday night! -c
at 06:49PM 11/16/08
at 06:49PM 11/16/08
beenup3:
Jesus...
be with them on the front lines.
That is wild though, that they are simply worshipping, and having to fear for their lives.
at 07:14PM 11/16/08
be with them on the front lines.
That is wild though, that they are simply worshipping, and having to fear for their lives.
at 07:14PM 11/16/08
ladybug:
there's not just the gay life style in San Fran. but sex trade is the highest.
I feel that God is beginning to expose some evil there. The stuff that has been hiding. That means
revival is at the edge.
at 07:29PM 11/16/08
I feel that God is beginning to expose some evil there. The stuff that has been hiding. That means
revival is at the edge.
at 07:29PM 11/16/08
billnreese:
yes, they are on the frontlines and it is that she shared that while they were worshipping the Lord told them (i think before the riot started) that the homosexuals would try to throw their shame on them, and the Lord wanted them to give it to them, and on the video you can hear them shouting, "shame on you christians." sounded like even though they thought they were going to be martyred, they had peace. you are right beni, we need to be covering them in prayer because they are right there on the frontlines and their worship to God is stirring so much hidden darkness to come into the light. -c
at 07:59PM 11/16/08
at 07:59PM 11/16/08
beenup3:
worshipping on the streets of S.F. is powerful... everytime I have been involved with open worship in those streets something crazy happened... worship on the streets is a key to that city I believe.
at 08:39PM 11/16/08
at 08:39PM 11/16/08
papabear:
Here's a thought - what if we also prayed for revival in the world of journalism. Godly reporters,editors and newspaper( & TV) owners with character who tell what actaully happened and not twist it with an evil agenda. Kinda like a "Fox News" whacked by God. Hmmmmmmm..... just a thought.
at 07:34AM 11/17/08
at 07:34AM 11/17/08
jennaliyah:
wow. The times we live in are times to not leave the place of prayer. The JHOPers know what they are facing and yet are there obeying God. We could all be strengthened with courage seeing that and for sure need to increase in our prayers for them.
at 07:47AM 11/17/08
at 07:47AM 11/17/08
billnreese:
@mark - yes! the truth needs to be reported! revival in the journalists!
i agree with the couple people who said that worship on the streets is so important. i also agree that prayer is the most important place and the safest place we can be! "hide me in your secret place." -c
at 07:54AM 11/17/08
i agree with the couple people who said that worship on the streets is so important. i also agree that prayer is the most important place and the safest place we can be! "hide me in your secret place." -c
at 07:54AM 11/17/08
jennaliyah:
I can't believe it. I just watched the live footage from the link you posted. It's so crazy, we are that close to seeing all of our religious freedom's violently opposed in a way that most of us have never experienced. Wake me up from the American dream is right... so right. Jesus, wake us up.
at 07:55AM 11/17/08
at 07:55AM 11/17/08
ladybug:
i have been trying to watch the raw footage but can't open it. Is anybody else having this problem?
at 08:07AM 11/17/08
at 08:07AM 11/17/08
billnreese:
beeni, i had to try to open the video several times before it would work for me. keep trying. -c
at 09:10AM 11/17/08
at 09:10AM 11/17/08
wendi:
Intense is right... a true picture of Light exposing darkness. We will intensify our prayer covering for sure!!! (and they say we are about hate???)
HOLY SPIRIT cover...!!!
at 09:51AM 11/17/08
HOLY SPIRIT cover...!!!
at 09:51AM 11/17/08
beenup3:
watching this again, I was really proud of the jhoppers... going out, spending their lives to love and pray for those that are persecuting them... it's amazing. I honor those guys and gals. Roger Joiner, one of my old buddies was out there... I honor him and the others for really following Christ in their callings!
at 04:58PM 11/17/08
at 04:58PM 11/17/08
gregory:
Looks like nothing has changed in the Castro district in the last 30 years.
at 09:15PM 11/17/08
at 09:15PM 11/17/08
mommykins:
Wow! this is so scary but so sad too!! So many people blinded by lies and the number just seems to be growing. They are crying out for love and acceptance and they are fooled into believing this is how to get it and they can't even see that Gods love is the only love that can fill that void in their lives. They are fighting against the very thing they so desparately need. God reveal your love to them!
at 12:17AM 11/18/08
at 12:17AM 11/18/08
billnreese:
great song lori! i added you as a myspace friend (did i say the name of that site out loud? lol!) -c
at 08:09AM 11/18/08
at 08:09AM 11/18/08
ingamae:
So what and how do we pray on Friday nights for the Castro District in San Francisco Holy Spirit???
What if we just go into the gay bars and just love on people....maybe the God Squad could go in!!! I would love to go in and just try to order a sprite or something and sit there for 10 min's and then leak the Kingdom everywhere by just sitting there and smiling and loving........
maybe there is a stronghold or something that we need God to show us in the Castro District???? a HIGH PLACE or person that the principality is linked to since nothing has changed there for 30 years...God show us!!
Bless the JHOPers God and Bless the people that came against them..POUR OUT YOUR GOODNESS and MERCY BOLTS ALL OVER THAT CASTRO ST.
at 11:56AM 11/19/08
What if we just go into the gay bars and just love on people....maybe the God Squad could go in!!! I would love to go in and just try to order a sprite or something and sit there for 10 min's and then leak the Kingdom everywhere by just sitting there and smiling and loving........
maybe there is a stronghold or something that we need God to show us in the Castro District???? a HIGH PLACE or person that the principality is linked to since nothing has changed there for 30 years...God show us!!
Bless the JHOPers God and Bless the people that came against them..POUR OUT YOUR GOODNESS and MERCY BOLTS ALL OVER THAT CASTRO ST.
at 11:56AM 11/19/08
beenup3:
not to disagree, but just to let you know the jhoppers are all about loving on the people... I know some of them, and they give up their lives for these people... spend their time among them and definitely do not come with condemnation or condescention. Bottom line, the gays in Castro are ticked off and are ready to hurt some people... So we need to pray protection for those who are living in their same neighborhood and laying down their lives to show them Jesus' love.
at 09:21PM 11/19/08
at 09:21PM 11/19/08
beenup3:
no, maybe I shouldn't have said anything, but I was talking to inga and funny girl...
Maybe I misinterpreted, but I just wanted people to know that the anger in SF on the streets was not because the jhoppers were not full of love for the people, or because they are not really out with the people loving on them.
Probably, I just overreacting and put my foot in my mouth. I just think its easy to say well if I was there letting God leak all out of me, and were loving like Jesus did, than this wouldn't have happened.
I just honor and respect the jhoppers for what they're doing, and want people to know it's not a case of Christian ministry gone wrong.
at 11:32AM 11/20/08
Maybe I misinterpreted, but I just wanted people to know that the anger in SF on the streets was not because the jhoppers were not full of love for the people, or because they are not really out with the people loving on them.
Probably, I just overreacting and put my foot in my mouth. I just think its easy to say well if I was there letting God leak all out of me, and were loving like Jesus did, than this wouldn't have happened.
I just honor and respect the jhoppers for what they're doing, and want people to know it's not a case of Christian ministry gone wrong.
at 11:32AM 11/20/08
aimee:
the official statement of what took place in the Castro in San Francisco on Friday, November 14, 2008.
November 18, 2008
Last Friday night (11.14.08) our team of thirteen people, mostly ranging from eighteen to twenty-two years old, left the house around 5:30pm to head to the Castro District as we have done for the majority of Friday nights for the past three years. Over the course of the week we had actually been out in the Castro every night, singing and worshiping in the neighborhood. This night we arrived at Castro and 18th Street, with one guitar to simply worship and bring the presence of God to the Castro District. We understood that since Proposition 8 had passed it would seem instigating to talk with people, so we decided to only play the guitar and sing rather than to engage with anyone on the streets.
Our intention was not to stir up anger, but to worship Jesus on the streets the way we had worshipped there for the past three years. As we were worshiping a man approached us and began yelling "You are haters! Get out of here!" A girl on our team simply told him "We are only here to worship God. We love you." This man became angrier and was screaming at her using profanity and obscene language. When he noticed that we were standing in front of a memorial that had been dedicated to an AIDS/HIV activist he became even more enraged. We had stood on that particular street corner numerous times when there had been a memorial and it had never been an issue before this night. She continued to answer him "We are only here to worship God. We love you and Jesus loves you," and eventually he left the street corner. A police officer then came and asked us how long we would be out there. We told him until nine o clock and he said "ok" and left.
at 12:10PM 11/20/08
November 18, 2008
Last Friday night (11.14.08) our team of thirteen people, mostly ranging from eighteen to twenty-two years old, left the house around 5:30pm to head to the Castro District as we have done for the majority of Friday nights for the past three years. Over the course of the week we had actually been out in the Castro every night, singing and worshiping in the neighborhood. This night we arrived at Castro and 18th Street, with one guitar to simply worship and bring the presence of God to the Castro District. We understood that since Proposition 8 had passed it would seem instigating to talk with people, so we decided to only play the guitar and sing rather than to engage with anyone on the streets.
Our intention was not to stir up anger, but to worship Jesus on the streets the way we had worshipped there for the past three years. As we were worshiping a man approached us and began yelling "You are haters! Get out of here!" A girl on our team simply told him "We are only here to worship God. We love you." This man became angrier and was screaming at her using profanity and obscene language. When he noticed that we were standing in front of a memorial that had been dedicated to an AIDS/HIV activist he became even more enraged. We had stood on that particular street corner numerous times when there had been a memorial and it had never been an issue before this night. She continued to answer him "We are only here to worship God. We love you and Jesus loves you," and eventually he left the street corner. A police officer then came and asked us how long we would be out there. We told him until nine o clock and he said "ok" and left.
at 12:10PM 11/20/08
aimee:
Our team continued to sing as a young man approached us. He stood near by until another man joined him. He was wearing a headdress, which led us to believe that he was affiliated with the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. This man in the headdress began to surround us with a cloth and shoving us to encircle us fully with the cloth. He wanted to do this so that people on the outside could not see us. While this was happening the other man instigated to people walking by that we were the "Yes on 8 people". When in reality, we were only doing what we had always done at the Castro since before proposition 8 was even in sight. This was not a proposition 8 event.
At this point our team was standing in a circle holding hands singing "Amazing Grace.
"
While they were holding the cloth around us someone from the crowd threw hot coffee over the cloth and it hit our team, including splashing two of our girls in the face and one on her head going down her back. At first the girls thought it was boiling water until they smelled that it was coffee.
During the event people lunging through the crowd to get at us hit a couple of our girls in the face.
Then a man picked up one of our Bibles and started to walk away with it. A girl from our team walked out of the circle after him and said, "Excuse me that is our Bible. Could I have that back please?" He turned to her and said "no" then hit her on the head with the Bible knocking her to the ground, then began kicking her legs. A man from the crowd pulled him off of her. A police officer then came and detained the man who hit her. One officer asked the girl on our team if she would like to press charges. She said "No. Tell him I forgive him.
"
A couple of the people who were holding the cloth around our team walk up to her and said "We are sorry that happened to you." and "He is not with us." referring to the man that hit her. Then the man who had been responsible for making the crowd think we were there concerning Proposition 8 said to her "I'm glad to see that you're feeling better, but let that be a lesson to you not to come here.
"
At different points throughout the night one girl on our team had her camera and was able to film some of what was happening.
The crowd around began to grow as people started to scream "Shame on you! Shame on you!" over and over. They were yelling all kinds of obscenities and cursing us. That is when one of the young men who was with us called the police department to let them know what was happening. It was difficult to say how many people were surrounding us due to the chaos of the situation. We were trying to focus on worshiping rather than the masses, but we would guess anywhere from 200 to 500 people. One of the girls then stepped out to see how the girl who got hit was doing. And as she rejoined the team singing, she overheard a few men saying things like "we should grab them." As well as "yeah we should grab their butts." At that point we realized that it was climaxing into a really hostile situation.
at 12:10PM 11/20/08
At this point our team was standing in a circle holding hands singing "Amazing Grace.
"
While they were holding the cloth around us someone from the crowd threw hot coffee over the cloth and it hit our team, including splashing two of our girls in the face and one on her head going down her back. At first the girls thought it was boiling water until they smelled that it was coffee.
During the event people lunging through the crowd to get at us hit a couple of our girls in the face.
Then a man picked up one of our Bibles and started to walk away with it. A girl from our team walked out of the circle after him and said, "Excuse me that is our Bible. Could I have that back please?" He turned to her and said "no" then hit her on the head with the Bible knocking her to the ground, then began kicking her legs. A man from the crowd pulled him off of her. A police officer then came and detained the man who hit her. One officer asked the girl on our team if she would like to press charges. She said "No. Tell him I forgive him.
"
A couple of the people who were holding the cloth around our team walk up to her and said "We are sorry that happened to you." and "He is not with us." referring to the man that hit her. Then the man who had been responsible for making the crowd think we were there concerning Proposition 8 said to her "I'm glad to see that you're feeling better, but let that be a lesson to you not to come here.
"
At different points throughout the night one girl on our team had her camera and was able to film some of what was happening.
The crowd around began to grow as people started to scream "Shame on you! Shame on you!" over and over. They were yelling all kinds of obscenities and cursing us. That is when one of the young men who was with us called the police department to let them know what was happening. It was difficult to say how many people were surrounding us due to the chaos of the situation. We were trying to focus on worshiping rather than the masses, but we would guess anywhere from 200 to 500 people. One of the girls then stepped out to see how the girl who got hit was doing. And as she rejoined the team singing, she overheard a few men saying things like "we should grab them." As well as "yeah we should grab their butts." At that point we realized that it was climaxing into a really hostile situation.
at 12:10PM 11/20/08
aimee:
Then it seemed like out of nowhere hundreds of whistles were being blown in our ears. Around that time someone removed the cloth which enabled the crowd to enclose around us turning the situation into what resembled a mob frenzy. The people in the crowd were shoving us against the wall blowing the whistles in our ears so close that we could feel the spit from the whistles hitting our faces. Around that time we began to sing "Oh the Blood of Jesus." Things grew more intense and the crowd came in closer around us shoving and pushing us. Some men from the crowd began grabbing a few of the young men on our team inappropriately, sexually assaulting them and trying to take down the pants of one of them. When that began the young men with us quickly pulled all the girls into the middle so that no one could get to them.
The intensity of the mob around us grew until finally the police had to shove the crowd off of us and they made a wall between the crowd and our group. There was one moment when a man from the crowd around us pointed out Roger, the leader of our team, and said, "I'm going to kill you!" An officer overheard and said to him "What did you say!?" The man said "nothing." And the officer replied, "I heard what you said.
"
Then one officer said to Roger "Do you want to leave?" and he replied, "We would like to stay" because we knew we had the freedom to be there. A few minutes later as the crowd was growing quickly the officer said to Roger "I am sorry, but we need to get you out of here because we fear for your life, you no longer have a choice." Roger turned to our team and explained that we were going to honor the police and follow them. The officer came back, asked us where we were parked and told us we would be moving out in five minutes. At that point there was somewhere between 15 and 25 police officers. They surrounded our team and escorted us to 20th and Eureka Street where our van was parked. As they were escorting us to our van the crowd followed our team and continued to scream and threaten us. They even threatened to follow us all the way home. As we were being escorted out a man with a news camera showed up and began filming us. (Later we found the footage on KTVU, a local news station in the Bay Area) They had reported that we were doing a religious march regarding Proposition 8, when in all actuality we were being escorted out of the Castro. Realizing the hostility of the people who were still following us, and their threats to "follow us all the way home" we covered our license plate with post-it notes that a guy on our team had in his wallet. We did this so that they could not identify our vehicle later. We then loaded our entire team into the van and drove home. The time when we left was 8:30.
In closing, though this event was one of the scariest moments in our individual lives, because of those who have died in America to purchase freedom, we felt in this situation we were to stand firm and not be intimidated out of our rights. Furthermore our faith in Christ calls us to be willing to die for the sake of the gospel, and we are not to sacrifice for the sake of comfort or a false peace. Though the American church has not often been tested in this, these days seem to be upon us. We love the LGBT community and we do not believe that everyone in this community is filled with hate or anger. What happened on Friday night was different than what we have ever encountered. We forgive those who assaulted us physically and sexually. We forgive the anger and threats of violence against us. Our desire has always been to be a bridge to bring the love of Jesus.
Thank you,
JHOPSF team.
at 12:11PM 11/20/08
The intensity of the mob around us grew until finally the police had to shove the crowd off of us and they made a wall between the crowd and our group. There was one moment when a man from the crowd around us pointed out Roger, the leader of our team, and said, "I'm going to kill you!" An officer overheard and said to him "What did you say!?" The man said "nothing." And the officer replied, "I heard what you said.
"
Then one officer said to Roger "Do you want to leave?" and he replied, "We would like to stay" because we knew we had the freedom to be there. A few minutes later as the crowd was growing quickly the officer said to Roger "I am sorry, but we need to get you out of here because we fear for your life, you no longer have a choice." Roger turned to our team and explained that we were going to honor the police and follow them. The officer came back, asked us where we were parked and told us we would be moving out in five minutes. At that point there was somewhere between 15 and 25 police officers. They surrounded our team and escorted us to 20th and Eureka Street where our van was parked. As they were escorting us to our van the crowd followed our team and continued to scream and threaten us. They even threatened to follow us all the way home. As we were being escorted out a man with a news camera showed up and began filming us. (Later we found the footage on KTVU, a local news station in the Bay Area) They had reported that we were doing a religious march regarding Proposition 8, when in all actuality we were being escorted out of the Castro. Realizing the hostility of the people who were still following us, and their threats to "follow us all the way home" we covered our license plate with post-it notes that a guy on our team had in his wallet. We did this so that they could not identify our vehicle later. We then loaded our entire team into the van and drove home. The time when we left was 8:30.
In closing, though this event was one of the scariest moments in our individual lives, because of those who have died in America to purchase freedom, we felt in this situation we were to stand firm and not be intimidated out of our rights. Furthermore our faith in Christ calls us to be willing to die for the sake of the gospel, and we are not to sacrifice for the sake of comfort or a false peace. Though the American church has not often been tested in this, these days seem to be upon us. We love the LGBT community and we do not believe that everyone in this community is filled with hate or anger. What happened on Friday night was different than what we have ever encountered. We forgive those who assaulted us physically and sexually. We forgive the anger and threats of violence against us. Our desire has always been to be a bridge to bring the love of Jesus.
Thank you,
JHOPSF team.
at 12:11PM 11/20/08
laura:
Shocking and beautiful...I am amazed by the courage and love here. WOW...God may i be like these that stood for you in the midst of persecution.
at 12:25PM 11/20/08
at 12:25PM 11/20/08
billnreese:
aimee, thank you for sharing this. great to have all the details together. wow. -c
at 02:05PM 11/20/08
at 02:05PM 11/20/08
ladybug:
Wow! Aimee. were you there and if not how did you get these amazing details.
JHOP, we are praying for you!!
at 11:11PM 11/20/08
JHOP, we are praying for you!!
at 11:11PM 11/20/08
rosebud:
The girl was just on the O'Riely Factor.. and there is a really distrubing video of what happened on youtube...search for "pushed out of castro." DISCLAIMER: the video is distrubing as it was shot by one of the men pushing the JHOP students out..
at 11:25PM 11/20/08
at 11:25PM 11/20/08
rosebud:
Here is the link to the video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrRxFoBSPng
at 11:27PM 11/20/08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrRxFoBSPng
at 11:27PM 11/20/08
billnreese:
beni, this is the video that was on that article that you could get to open. too bad there are such hateful responses from people on that you tube video. makes me sad. -c
at 07:51AM 11/21/08
at 07:51AM 11/21/08
ingamae:
JHOPPERS you are all amazing people and I don't doubt that you LOVE AND LEAK THE KINGDOM OF GOD ALL OVER EVERYWHERE YOU GO....I PRAY INCREASED protection over you all...i am sorry this happened to you....it makes me sad when Kingdom people get attacked like that!
at 08:08AM 11/21/08
at 08:08AM 11/21/08
beenup3:
just saw this as well... video testimony of jhopper. 2nd clip is on same page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsRP4hA5ogk
at 11:11AM 11/21/08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsRP4hA5ogk
at 11:11AM 11/21/08
ericag:
thanks for posting the video link for you tube. I have been looking for it :)
at 11:14AM 11/21/08
at 11:14AM 11/21/08
aimee:
@Beni-Roger Joyner is one of my husbands friends (they're from the same church back home). We are myspace friends, and JHOP posted it as a bulletin on their myspace. I read it and thought I should post it on here so everyone would know. ;)
at 12:05PM 11/21/08
at 12:05PM 11/21/08
beenup3:
here's the link that someone mentioned about Oreilly Factor.
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/11/20/gay-activist-attacks-christian-woman-christine-cloud-speaks-out/
at 12:36PM 11/21/08
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/11/20/gay-activist-attacks-christian-woman-christine-cloud-speaks-out/
at 12:36PM 11/21/08
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